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Friday, July 11, 2008

Homosexuality is NOT a Sin

Well, it had to happen. Someone is now suing two Bible publishers for calling homosexuality a sin. The judge isn't impressed -- this will likely be a mere nuisance -- but you have to know that the tide is shifting. The time isn't far off that it will be regarded as a valid argument.

I have to say, however, that homosexuality is not a sin. That's right. You read it correctly. A person who has a tendency for sexual desire for the same gender is not, by definition, sinning.

"Okay," some of you might say, "you call yourself a Christian and you claim to believe the Bible. How can you say that?"

I would, of course, ask you to show me where in the Bible it is a sin. And you might pull out Genesis 19. That's the famous passage where two angels visit Lot in Sodom. Lot suggests they stay with him and, well, get out of town as fast as possible the next morning (Gen. 19:2). They plan to spend the night in the town square, but Lot gets them to come home with him. That night, "the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter" (Gen. 19:4) (that is, it wasn't an isolated group) and demanded that Lot send out the men so they could have relations with them (Gen. 19:5). "Now, now," those opposed to the claim have said, "that's a mistranslation. They didn't ask to have relations. They asked 'to know' them." I see. So when Lot says in response, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly" (Gen. 19:7), he was thinking that getting to know his visitors was wicked. No, that's not working for me. "But," they protest further, "why would Lot offer them his daughters?" Exactly! If they simply wanted to get to know Lot's visitors, what's with the daughters? If the men of the city were looking for a nice little meet and greet, why would Lot offer to let them "do to them whatever you like" (Gen. 19:8) to his virgin daughters? If it wasn't for rape, what was the threat here?

"Okay," you say, "so ... you're agreeing that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is sin."

Not quite. I want more references.

You're aware that too many people dismiss out of hand the Leviticus passages as "Old Testament" and, therefore, non-binding, so you jump right over to 1 Corinthians:
Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God (1 Cor. 6:9-11).
"There it is," you assure me, "in plain text. 'Homosexuals ... shall not inherit the kingdom of God.'"

Now, let's look at that one carefully. The first item on that list is "fornicators." What is a fornicator? The word there is pornos (Care to guess what we did with that word in English?) and refers to any sexual sin. Okay, fine, but what is a fornicator? Well, the simplest notion would be that a fornicator is anyone who commits fornication. An idolater would be anyone who commits idolatry. And so on. That's fine, but remember, verse 11 says something about that: "Such were some of you." You see, in the simplest form, a fornicator is one who commits fornication, but in that simplest form it doesn't stop when the act stops. A person who once commits fornication is a fornicator. Since Paul says "were" (past tense), it is clear that these terms require an ongoing condition, not a single event. In other words, to be a fornicator one has to make a practice of fornicating.

How, then, do we handle the term "homosexuals" in that list? The naysayers would like to tell you that arsenokites is a reference to male temple prostitutes. Fine ... but that's not what the word means. It is constructed of two terms. "Arsen" refers to males and "koite" refers to bed. It is a reference to males who go to bed with males -- to males who lie with males. It is a reference to precisely the same concept that Paul talks about in Romans 1:27 when he speaks of men burning with desire for men as they would a woman. Dance around it all you want; it is a reference to homosexual sex.

"Okay," you say, "so ... you're agreeing that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is sin."

Not quite. We're not done here. Remember, what is it that makes a fornicator? It is someone who makes a practice of fornication. So what is it that makes this term -- a "homosexual"? Is it someone who has desire for sex with the same gender? Not at all. It is someone who makes a practice of sex with the same gender. There is a fundamental difference between a homosexual and homosexual practice.

Let me try it from a non-confrontational approach. My wife has been on a diet program for the last several months. This diet does not allow her to have ice cream. Now, the fact is that my wife loves ice cream. It is, perhaps, the food of the gods to her. She dearly wants ice cream ... but she doesn't have it because it's not on her allowed diet. So, would you say that because my wife dearly wants ice cream that she has broken her diet? Obviously not. It isn't the desire for ice cream that is banned; it is actually eating it.

When I say, then, that homosexuality is not a sin, I am referring to people who are sexually attracted to the same gender. It is not a sin for me to be sexually attracted to the opposite gender; it is a sin for me to act on it. It is not a sin for them either. The sin occurs when it is acted on.

"Sounds like you're splitting hairs."

Not at all. There is a real problem in communication between Christians and homosexuals because we keep calling homosexuality a sin. It isn't. It is the act that is a sin. It is a sin just as fornication and idolatry and adultery are sins, and those aren't homosexual sins. They're human sins. If we can keep that straight, perhaps we can communicate that it is not the homosexual that is the problem, but the act. Perhaps we can communicate that God does not hate them because they have leanings toward the same gender. Perhaps we can communicate that their sin is not something unique or different than our sin. That is, we all sin, and we only sin when we choose to do so. We've got to learn to communicate the difference between the sin and the sinner, and in this particular case we are doing a really, really poor job.

11 comments:

The Schaubing Blogk said...

The problem is that 'homosexuality' as the world defines it, doesn't exist. Sodomy exists, effeminate behavior exists, but not 'homosexuality'. As the world defines it, 'homosexuality' is the inborn necessity to have sexual relations with the same sex. All sins happen when we give way to our lusts.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Stan said...

Perhaps it is not true that they are "born that way." I'm saying it doesn't matter if they are. You're saying, "I will not approach them where they are. It doesn't matter if they THINK they're born that way. I will not talk to them at their level." I'm saying that if they are right and it is an inclination they are born with, it is irrelevant. The activity is still a sin and the choice to engage in it is theirs.

Joshua Ohlman said...

14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


Not sure how you got from my comment to yours. I said:
The problem is that 'homosexuality' as the world defines it, doesn't exist.

I said:
As the world defines it, 'homosexuality' is the inborn necessity to have sexual relations with the same sex.

You said:
I'm saying that if they are right and it is an inclination they are born with,

They are not saying it is an 'inclination'. That is what we say. They say it is a 'necessity'. They laugh off your distinction between what they are and what they do, because for them what they are *is* what they do.

They believe that *because* they are born that way they must of necessity act that way. You, and I, make a distinction.

I may incline toward rape, you toward cowardice. Lust leads to death when 'it is conceived', ie when it is acted on. I am not rapist until I rape, you are no coward until you desert the line of battle.

And, praise God, He can free us from this label even when we have acted; through His forgiveness.

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)


Von (posting from his sons account)

Stan said...

We, then, are agreeing. It is not the "condition" (whatever that is) that is the sin, but the choice to act on it.

I don't know where you got your definition ("the inborn necessity to have sexual relations with the same sex"). I haven't read it anywhere (but here, of course). I can't find it in any dictionary. I defined it as the dictionaries defined it: "sexual desire for the same gender". As such, as long as "desire" (what you and I would cause "lust") has to pass through the human will, it is and always will be a choice.

The Schaubing Blogk said...

One problem I have in these discussions is I am *far* to linguistically minded :)

You are almost correct as to the 'denotation' of 'homosexuality'. However the 'connotation' is quite otherwise. Consider the words 'homosexual activist'. If the limited defn you have in mind were true, what would he be 'activisiting'?

Such an activst wishes for the laws against Sodomy to be repealed, for people in Sodomite relationships to be allowed to teach our children, for these Sodomite relationships to be recognized as 'marriage'.

Even the Wikipedia states:

"Homosexuality refers to sexual behavior with or attraction to people of the same sex, or to a homosexual orientation."

later it further states:

"The adjective homosexual describes behavior, relationships, people, orientation etc."

The word 'sodomy' is quite clear, and refers to someone who defiles himself with mankind.

Stan said...

Okay, von, let me try this. Let's say that you were to have the opportunity to talk to a person who defines himself as a homosexual. My approach would be to differentiate between their so-called definition and the sin. If I can help him to see that regardless of his desire for sex with males, it is a sin to act on that desire, I can give him the Gospel. It seems that you're saying, "Repent or die!" There is no room for discussion. There is no attempt at understanding. There is no offering of communication. "See it my way or go to Hell."

Now, I have to think that my perception is inaccurate and you'd have a different approach. Since you cannot discuss with a person who defines himself as a homosexual on his level, where do you go? If, for instance, a person calling himself a Christian tells you, "I am a homosexual, but I've chosen to remain celibate," where would you go with it?

The Schaubing Blogk said...

I am fascinated by how quickly you jump into the realm of 'how would you witness' from the various discussions. I don't see any particular connection between what words we, as Christians, use on our blogs and other communications of theology, and how a particular witnessing situation might develop.

The particular scenario you give me is fascinating. In that case I would think the approach I would adopt is to ask them why, with all the world around them giving in to sexual indulgence daily, have they decided to abstain?

You will have to give me their response before I can fully continue, but it seems to me that they are already signaling that they see something wrong with Sodomy. They might very well be interested in a God who agrees with them, and who has an answer to that and all other sins.

I don't believe I have ever used the phrase (however true) 'repent and die'. I have said (in other circumstances)'you are sinning, you need to repent, I cannot continue to discuss with you as a Christian while you insist on overt sin.'

1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Stan said...

There were actually two situations there. One was a witnessing situation. The other was "not". I say "not" because in the second situation the person describes himself as a Christian and refrains from sex. He is what most people would call a non-practicing homosexual. I would say he was not sinning. You would say ...?

The first one was more of a witnessing situation because there was no suggestion that he/she was a Christian.

My aim, however, isn't to dispute with you but to seek clarification of what you are saying. If a person says that they experience desire for sex with the same gender, you wouldn't call that "homosexuality." I wouldn't call it sin until they acted on it. Is it pure semantics that you're arguing or are you disagreeing entirely?

The Schaubing Blogk said...

If a person says that they experience desire for sex with the same gender, you wouldn't call that "homosexuality." I wouldn't call it sin until they acted on it. Is it pure semantics that you're arguing or are you disagreeing entirely?

It is written:
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


Each of us are tempted, in many ways and various fashions, each day. Our temptations are often a result of our previous sin... reading that pornography (yesterday) leaves me more open to lustful thoughts (today), telling that one lie (yesterday) leads me to try to back it up (today).

So we cannot say which of our temptations are *the result of* sin... be they the temptation to fornication, to sodomy, or to murder.

Nor can we say when a temptation gives way to lust... which Christ defines as sin.

We can be sure that the overt act, be it sodomy, murder, or gossip... is sin.

Is it helpful to tell someone tempted by a sin that their temptation is not sin, but their actions will be? Perhaps that is what we read in verses such as
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

My response to you was not on your thesis of the temptation vs the action. Mine was a challenge to rethink our use of words that the world has invented or polluted. 99% of the world, reading only the title of your post, will conflate the word 'homosexuality' with the action of sodomy. They will assume (unless they read further, and that carefully) that you intend to say that the action of promoting 'homosexual marriage' is not sinful. That the schools should teach us how 'we are each different, and that is OK'. But it is not OK. Even if one tempted individual may respond in a Godly way, that does not deny that the actions snd lust he is tempted to are themselves are Gods judgment; as it is written:

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


Here God even calls the 'affection' vile.
pathos
path'-os
From the alternate of G3958; properly suffering (“pathos”), that is, (subjectively) a passion (especially concupiscence): - (inordinate) affection, lust.

Stan said...

One last question, then, von (you know ... one last clarification). There are obviously those who argue that homosexual desire is a "birth condition." I have denied that elsewhere. Indeed, while a majority of folks are convinced of it, science itself can't seem to prove it. (Funny that the god of this age can't seem to prove the thing they most want to prove. But I digress.) My point, however, has always been, "It just doesn't matter. Sin is still sin."

I do wonder, however, how much of our inclinations to sin are inherited. Does an alcoholic father pass down a propensity to alcoholism? When God says He would be "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me" (Exo. 20:5), is He suggesting that people are born with inclinations to sin? I would argue, of course, that in no way does the inclination equate to license, that "born that way" doesn't mean "it's okay". But I'm wondering if that is a possibility for you, or would you categorically deny that concept?

The Schaubing Blogk said...

I would say that clearly propensities to certain sins are passed down. They are passed down genetically and culturally. Similarly, resistance to other sins are passed down genetically and culturally.

And, as you correctly point out, that gains us no brownie points. We are each depraved by sinners saved by grace... regaredless of which sins or to what depth. We each struggle daily with temptations that must be resisted, regardless of their form or our background.... and resisting them can only, in the end, come as a gift from God, whether that gift comes from him genetically, culturally, or as a specific empowerment right this second.