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Saturday, August 07, 2010

The Bauer Thesis

This was a new one to me. But it was enlightening.

Walter Bauer was a German theologian. He published a work in 1934 with a German title I won't bore you with. The 1971 translation called it Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity. At that time, the predominant historians' view of Christianity was that orthodoxy had reigned in Christianity from the beginning. That is, there was a "standard" set of doctrine that was considered right, and that doctrine was always the center point. So, for instance, when the Council of Nicaea met in 325, they met to address existing error, not to establish new doctrine. They addressed the Arian heresy and other items. (The Arian heresy, for those asking, was the first challenge to the Doctrine of the Trinity.) In other words, the standard view was that the Trinity (in this example) was established doctrine and the Church got together to address the error, not establish the doctrine. Well, Bauer challenged that notion. Bauer argued that what orthodoxy calls "heresy" today was present, in Bauer's words, "early and strong" in various geographical locations of Christendom in the Early Church. These "heresies" were not considered heretical, but orthodox where they were located. It was only when the Church came to power that these heresies were declared heretical, and that was primarily on the basis of the notions of the leadership as opposed to some sort of agreed upon basis (such as biblical authority, etc.). So Bauer argued that the Early Church favored diversity rather than orthodoxy.

Now, Bauer's thesis has been addressed multiple times by multiple scholars regarding multiple problems. Bauer, for instance, ignores the New Testament entirely in his work. He didn't consider it of much value. Much of his argument is from silence (such as the lack of Early Church documentation). There is a lot of assuming in his work. He referred to the Apostle Paul as "the only Arch-Heretic known to the apostolic age." But it is largely due to Bauer that you hear so often these days that "The Roman Catholic Church made those things up" and "There is no such thing as orthodoxy." Those who question orthodox Christianity do so largely on the basis of a faulty thesis from Bauer who started with the premise that the New Testament was largely fabricated by the Roman Catholic Church and that Paul was an arch-heretic. His "scholarship" ignored existing evidence and lacked (quite obviously) new evidence that contradicts his views. Still, you'll find voices of certainty that argue the Church has never been orthodox, that diversity has ruled Christian theology since the beginning, and that the only reason we have this "narrow view" of what is orthodox (including outlandish beliefs like the Resurrection, the Trinity, and such) is because the Roman Catholic Church came into power (thanks to Constantine) and there you have it.

Here, try this. The next time someone tells you that there is no such thing as orthodoxy, that the Church historically has had widely diverse views, that things like the Trinity were made up by a limited group that was in power (the Church, the Roman Catholics, or, even laughably, Constantine himself, as examples), ask them for sources. You'll most certainly find that all such sources are either nonexistent or all after Bauer's thesis because if you examine anything written in the centuries before Bauer, you'll find amazing concurrence that there is indeed orthodox Christian doctrine and always has been.

15 comments:

Naum said...

how much of early church history have you actually read? yes, the early church fathers, but also, scholar historians from both christian and non-christian perspective?

"orthodoxy" reigned in large part because the "victors" purged the other side — excommunicating, burning/destroying the writing, even torturing execution for some. basically, any "dissent" was snuffed out in a most un-Jesus like Orwellian fashion.

church doctrine was in no way settled by the time of the first councils. in fact, most historians agree that the "minority" viewpoint held sway over the majority, and a great many voices in the church were silenced (early on, even the RC was not instrumental whatsoever).

even amongst church fathers, as they sought to develop new terminology to help understand what it fully believed, it was not exactly clear — tertullian taught that christ was less than the father, but the council of chalcedon insisted christ was co-equal with the father. tertullian speaks of persons of the trinity differing in degree, form and appearance. the arguments got vicious.

sources?

recently, i would recommend *a history of christianity* by Diarmaid MacCulloch (and peruse the extended bibliography/notes for his sources), *Rethinking Christianity* by Keith Ward (not a "history" per se, but a Oxford scholar's concise summation of the 6 epochs/transformations in history of Christianity, *Early Christians in their own words* by Eberhard Arnold (also available free online),

but by all means, read the church fathers: *History of the Church* by Eusebius, Augustine (*Confessions*, *City of God*, etc.)

Danny Wright said...

This reminds me of the self cannibal. He eats his arm to satisfy his stomach. There are so many within the "Christian community", especially it seems in liberal seminaries, who devote their lives, not to winning people to the supposed object of their devotion, no... but to debunking their own religion. My question is always, to what end? Is the condition of man not pitiful enough already?

Stan said...

Naum,

When you offer me a source not influenced by the Baum Thesis, I'll give it a second look. All current sources are operating under the very same position you've stated as absolute truth without any such evidence: "'orthodoxy' reigned in large part because the 'victors' purged the other side". They who agree to that are primarily agreeing under Baum's Thesis.

Naum, I don't even know why you would want to associate yourself with anything called "Christianity". From your perspective, it has been an evolutionary process without a viable source and dominated mostly by power struggles. It is largely unreliable and clearly a matter of personal interpretation ... which absolutely changes with culture. If there is a God and that's the best He can do, why bother?

(Oh, and, FYI, I've read a great deal of early church history and even taken courses on it. Funny, though. You are expecting a fair and reasonable treatment from the non-Christians?)

Marshal Art said...

So many who argue as Naum does forget that the Bible is representative of the early church. It is a collection of letters and books by those closest to the events described. Why would I consider the Bauers of the world over and against those men?

Naum said...

@stan

because fallen man has distorted the message of Jesus does not mean i wish to disassociate from the church. indeed, as one famous author put it, "the church is a whore, and she is my mother".

are you really asserting me that the "victors" did not purge dissenters? seriously? you may as well pronounce the earth is flat, or you have a car that runs on unicorn droppings.

more current sources have the advantage of discovered archaeological finds such as dead sea scrolls. other relatively recent discoveries in 19th century (i.e., epic of gilgamesh) totally rocked world of bible scholarship…

how can you examine ancient documents, that ancient interpreters puzzled out differently than current interpretation without applying the lens of culture? impossible. ancient interpreters saw the text quite differently than modern studies, be they liberal, conservative, Jewish, or non-christian. how do you even know what the words mean, or the scholarship that in many cases is akin to inexact guesstimate based on context and other ancient sources? or have you just taken to heart what somebody else told you it meant? somebody that tortured and executed those who had differing views? can you read koine greek or ancient hebrew well enough?

for most of history of christianity (until renaissance / enlightenment), few christian scholars had knowledge of hebrew. throughout most of the age, the great authority was jerome, who translated the hebrew bible into latin. but it turned out that jerome got a lot wrong.

all the scholarship i've cited comes from christian (or jewish) scholars…

Stan said...

Naum,

Clearly you don't want to disassociate yourself with the church. My question was Why not? If all we have left is a product of distortions, purges, political battles, and likely "Scripture" plagiarized from other writings, on what can you possibly base any sort of conclusion? If the first Church got it wrong and it has been wrong ever since, what does that say about a god who doesn't seem to be able to get things across or guard them? If this "Christianity" to which you hold is an evolutionary process, what would make it in any way a reliable, valid belief instead of simply a product of our society and, as is often suggested, way past its usefulness? I can tell you don't want to discard it. What I can't imagine is why.

Stan said...

One other thing. "are you really asserting me that the 'victors' did not purge dissenters?"

I am not asserting that there were no purges, no excommunications, no tortures. Silly. I am asserting that orthodoxy has remained from beginning to today. Sometimes it was in power and sometimes it was less visible. I base that on two facts. First, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead His followers into all truth. The suggestion today is either that He failed at that miserably, or that it took Him 2000 years to get around to it. I reject both. Second, the "orthodoxy" that I believe, that I see in Scripture, that I affirm in the Church both today and prior can be traced all the way from the pages of the Bible through Church history to today.

So, biblically and experientially and historically, I would claim that orthodoxy has existed from the beginning, that God got His doctrine out successfully and has guarded it successfully through time. And it is only novel, modern "scholarship" that disagrees with that.

David said...

Naum-"how can you examine ancient documents, that ancient interpreters puzzled out differently than current interpretation without applying the lens of culture? impossible. ancient interpreters saw the text quite differently than modern studies, be they liberal, conservative, Jewish, or non-christian. how do you even know what the words mean, or the scholarship that in many cases is akin to inexact guesstimate based on context and other ancient sources? or have you just taken to heart what somebody else told you it meant? somebody that tortured and executed those who had differing views? can you read koine greek or ancient hebrew well enough?"

If you believe that what we know about the Bible and its teaching is all falsified and determined by the "highest power", how can I KNOW that the Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew that I can learn today hasn't been put under the same scrutiny? If I can't trust what modern translators tell me what a passage in Scripture means, how can I believe them when they try to teach me what a word means so I can read it for myself?
Nobody is arguing that those in power have been perfectly in line with Orthodoxy in all ways in all times. What we're saying is that God promised to keep His remnant and that remnant would be those that hold to HIS Orthodoxy which He put forth in Scripture because He is faithful to His people.

Danny Wright said...

David

If your starting point is that God does not exist beyond what one chooses to create in his own mind, then the fact that that nonexistent being didn't superintend his Word and intentions is concluded before questions concerning truth are even asked.

We are only left with assertions and exertions by means of raw power. That power was once gained through church office, now it is gained in politics, but no matter, it is this same heart that Naum decrys that inhabits his own chest.

Naum said...

@stan,

I would claim that orthodoxy has existed from the beginning, that God got His doctrine out successfully and has guarded it successfully through time. And it is only novel, modern "scholarship" that disagrees with that.

don't know how anyone can make such an assertion, without being ignorant of christian history.

for thousands of years, "orthodoxy" (whether it be church of east, west, or south) differed and all 3 were radically different than what the reformers in 16th century arrived (which even they conducted bloody wars over)…

"orthodoxy" until post-industrial age sanctioned slavery and most bible believers thought it zany for any christian (how exactly were the quakers and other like minded sects perceived until mid 19th century?) to think otherwise…

"orthodoxy", until the reformation age (and for many christians after) meant that lay persons were not to read the biblical text directly and papal infallibility reigned…

"orthodoxy" to early Jesus followers akin to a jewish messianic sect looked a lot different than even post 100 AD…

or are you simply saying what you have branded "orthodoxy" is "orthodoxy"… …what is that set of "orthodoxy" to you? are catholics included? anabaptists? quakers? unitarians? southern baptists? methodists? "house church" devotees?

and if 50-100 years from now, when future christians ghastly gaze at those that bigoted toward gay people, and that is the prevailing christian sentiment other than a few "traditionalist" holdouts, will that be "orthodoxy"? just as if christian ancestors would find it odd and peculiar what "orthodoxy" entailed for 20th century christianity…

@David,

don't put words in my mouth — never stated nor believe that all about the bible was "falsified"… …but it's a good question, nevertheless…

@Dan, going to /ignore your judgmental, sardonic blurbs… :)

Naum said...

@stan,

I would claim that orthodoxy has existed from the beginning, that God got His doctrine out successfully and has guarded it successfully through time. And it is only novel, modern "scholarship" that disagrees with that.

don't know how anyone can make such an assertion, without being ignorant of christian history.

for thousands of years, "orthodoxy" (whether it be church of east, west, or south) differed and all 3 were radically different than what the reformers in 16th century arrived (which even they conducted bloody wars over)…

"orthodoxy" until post-industrial age sanctioned slavery and most bible believers thought it zany for any christian (how exactly were the quakers and other like minded sects perceived until mid 19th century?) to think otherwise…

"orthodoxy", until the reformation age (and for many christians after) meant that lay persons were not to read the biblical text directly and papal infallibility reigned…

"orthodoxy" to early Jesus followers akin to a jewish messianic sect looked a lot different than even post 100 AD…

or are you simply saying what you have branded "orthodoxy" is "orthodoxy"… …what is that set of "orthodoxy" to you? are catholics included? anabaptists? quakers? unitarians? southern baptists? methodists? "house church" devotees?

and if 50-100 years from now, when future christians ghastly gaze at those that bigoted toward gay people, and that is the prevailing christian sentiment other than a few "traditionalist" holdouts, will that be "orthodoxy"? just as if christian ancestors would find it odd and peculiar what "orthodoxy" entailed for 20th century christianity…

@David,

don't put words in my mouth — never stated nor believe that all about the bible was "falsified"… …but it's a good question, nevertheless…

@Dan, going to /ignore your judgmental, sardonic blurbs… :)

Stan said...

Still baffled, Naum. Is it your view that by "orthodoxy" you think I mean "everything ever taught by the Church"? When I use the term, I am referring to a smaller, core body of doctrines. These doctrines are static. They are not determined by a power group or the ones with the most might. They are installed by God, documented by Scripture, and verifiable to anyone willing to look. The suggestion that "orthodoxy" is fluid or that it changes with culture simply means that God doesn't have a clue what is and isn't true at the core and you really ought to jettison such a being. I'm not suggesting that everyone has always believed the same thing as everyone else (and if you were paying attention to what I've written to you, you'd know that). "Orthodoxy" simply signifies "right belief or purity of faith". I am completely baffled by your insistence that no such thing exists, and that Christian doctrine is fluid.

The premise of "orthodoxy" has existed since the Bible was written. Galatians and Colossians in particular were written to counter existing heresies of the day. Irenaeus wrote Against Heresies, a completely nonsensical concept at all if there is no such thing as "orthodoxy". It seems as if you're suggesting a definition of "orthodoxy" that I'm not. I'd jump right on that conclusion as a given and everything could be cleared up with that except for the fact that you argue that Christian doctrine has changed ... that there are "epochs" and, apparently, there has been no fundamental, underlying standard "right belief" from one to the next.

Seriously, Naum, you need to get rid of this loser god of yours who can't seem to run his own religion or make up his own mind. What's the point? How is it not a religion of whatever seems good to you? How is it not a simple contradiction of the clear statement, "God is not a man, that He should change His mind"? Everyone in Christianity appears to have failed. God failed to make up His mind. Jesus failed to keep His promise because the Holy Spirit failed to lead the disciples into all truth. It's just a morass of jumbled up beliefs built on whoever has the most power. Today, the liberal scholars and the secularist culture seems to wield the most power, so we'll change again, as you suggest. What's the point of that kind of fluid "truth" (where "truth" is not in any sense actual truth)?

Naum said...

eh, this goofy blogger comment software… …wasn't sure what i wrote that would get posted…

need to clarify my remarks to @david — what i responded "good question" was to this: …how can I KNOW that the Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew that I can learn today hasn't been put under the same scrutiny? If I can't trust what modern translators tell me what a passage in Scripture means, how can I believe them when they try to teach me what a word means so I can read it for myself? Nobody is arguing that those in power have been perfectly in line with Orthodoxy in all ways in all times. What we're saying is that God promised to keep His remnant and that remnant would be those that hold to HIS Orthodoxy which He put forth in Scripture because He is faithful to His people.

/yes, how exactly do we know? is it a popularity contest? is it a matter of "you know it when you see it", "it just makes sense", "it seems God-breathed to me", etc.…?

who exactly has authority on what is "orthodoxy"? the pope? al mohler? oxford? harvard divinity school? n.t wright? john piper? rick warren? jesus seminar? 19th century german theologians? calvin? luther? erasmus? sbl (society of biblical literature)? a consensus of all/some/few of these?…

Naum said...

@stan

Seriously, Naum, you need to get rid of this loser god of yours who can't seem to run his own religion or make up his own mind. What's the point? How is it not a religion of whatever seems good to you? How is it not a simple contradiction of the clear statement, "God is not a man, that He should change His mind"? Everyone in Christianity appears to have failed. God failed to make up His mind. Jesus failed to keep His promise because the Holy Spirit failed to lead the disciples into all truth. It's just a morass of jumbled up beliefs built on whoever has the most power. Today, the liberal scholars and the secularist culture seems to wield the most power, so we'll change again, as you suggest. What's the point of that kind of fluid "truth" (where "truth" is not in any sense actual truth)?

OK, now you stating words that i did not write, nor a theme i did not proclaim…

just pushing back on your assertion of "orthodoxy" and what that entails… …as from my study of church history, other than some basic tenets about jesus, there really is little that can be universally attributed as "orthodoxy"…

Stan said...

No, of course you didn't make such a claim. You simply stated that there is no such thing as "right thinking", as genuine Christian doctrine. You've stated that Christian doctrine has changed at its core (if not at its core, then the "core" that hasn't changed would be orthodoxy, wouldn't it?). You've concurred with "epochs". (I think you outlined 6.) All of this demands a fluidity of doctrine that cannot be settled or even confirmed, as your suggestion of "50-100 years from now, when future christians ghastly gaze at those that bigoted toward gay people ..." would require. It isn't your claim. It's the only possible conclusion from what you claim.

I maintained, have maintained, and continue to maintain that there is a basic body of doctrine that has always remained at the core. Has everyone always agreed about it? Not what I'm claiming. Has there never been differences of opinion? Seriously, I'm not as stupid as that. But even when Arminius's followers brought their Remonstrances against the doctrines of the day, they only brought five. All the rest was settled, agreed upon, no problem. In four volumes of Institutes of Christian Religion they found five items with which to disagree. Doesn't that speak volumes (little humor there) about the level of agreement?

But, given what you do claim, what other possible conclusions should we reach? How are my conclusions invalid? If Christianity is as fluid as you do claim, what else can I conclude than what I've suggested?