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Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Legislating Morality

"You can't legislate morality," they say. And you'll find lots of people who agree -- probably most. So let's be clear, first. When they say this, many mean that passing laws based on moral values will not make people moral. As an example, making murder (we all think that's immoral) illegal hasn't stopped murder. And it's true. Laws, moral or otherwise, do not make people moral people. Okay, fine.

Still, the term is simply wrong. The term, "legislate", simply means "to make or enact laws". Is it possible to make or enact laws based on moral values? Well, of course it is! In fact, most laws are based on moral values. An example of that would be speeding laws, because we think it is moral to have safe streets. "No, no," the objector cries. "Laws should be based on civil values, not moral values." Okay, perhaps, but this presupposes that it is more moral to pass laws based on safety and order than on "right and wrong". Indeed, the objection is that "safety and order" is "right and wrong". Since "morality" is simply "the things we value as right and wrong", then "civil values" are part of "morality" and the objector spirals into circular logic. Or, let me rephrase it. If "morality" is "right and wrong" and "It is wrong to pass laws based on right and wrong", we're in a circle. Laws are based on moral values, so there is no actual question of whether or not you can "legislate morality". We do it all the time.

So what is intended with the objection, "You can't legislate morality"? It is almost always with the intent of warding off "the religious right". You see, the perception is that if a Christian thinks something is immoral, he or she must also believe that it should be illegal. And if you look at what Christians believe to be immoral, we're looking at quite a long list of new laws. Adultery, once actually against the law, will need to go back on the books. The Bible is clear that it is a sin to commit homosexual acts, but I don't see Christians writing to their congressman to get that one on the books. No one questions whether or not sexual relations outside of marriage is sin, but we're not urging our legislative bodies to outlaw sex apart from marriage. No, it doesn't make sense. Still, it's the fear. "If we're going to legislate morality, whose morality do we use?" That's their question. The obvious answer (because I've never seen anyone actually answer their own question) is simply "Not God's morality ... that's for sure."

Here's the problem. While they're arguing that we can't legislate morality, they are legislating morality. They pass laws to alter the definition of marriage to something else ... a moral position. They argue that civil laws -- laws "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" -- are the way we should go ... which is a statement on what is right and wrong -- a moral position. Conversely, when you point out that, say, adultery destroys union, defies justice, disturbs domestic tranquility, takes from the general welfare, and removes liberty from both ourselves and our posterity, well, that's definitely not something we can discuss. "That would be a moral position and we have already determined that your morality will not be the deciding factor here."

And that, you see, is the real point. When you hear "You can't legislate morality" meaning "you ought not", understand what is being said. What is really intended is "We will not allow for your moral views and will, instead, substitute our moral views." That's really the point here. Even saying "You can't legislate morality" is a moral perspective that says, "It's wrong to try." So don't let them fool you into thinking that "You can't legislate morality." The question is not whether you can or can't. The question really is who is doing it ... because it is being done.

9 comments:

Jim Jordan said...

Good points. You "can't legislate morality" is one of those silly platitudes; in Spanish it's called a "disparate" (dees-pah-RAH-tay) which comes from the root word "to shoot" and meaning "an aimless shot".

Stan said...

It's like the wise-sounding "sound of one hand clapping" phrase. Sounds so deep ... until you think about it and realize it's stupid.

Refreshment in Refuge said...

We are given inalienable rights by our Creator. Those rights can be taken away or "shifted" temporarily by men. Even now we are experiencing that. Even though those rights are God-given, they are being legislated away. Morals are being redifined by society. It isn't as simple as "you can't legislate morality" because it is happening.

Stan said...

Somebody's morals will be the basis for legislation. At the start, it was Christian morals. Now ...

Refreshment in Refuge said...

Agreed... Sigh. Why can't we learn from past generations?

Jeremy D. Troxler said...

Stan,

Good points all. As i've thought about this quite a bit, respectfully i'd like to suggest a change. Where you said

"In fact, most laws are based on moral values?"

I would suggest that ALL laws are an imposition of morality. I spent time actually trying to think of a law that did not impose a moral judgment on others and I couldn't come up with one. In your example of civil values vs. moral values; as you well stated, is it possible to have civility without first establishing morality?

The only question really worth considering is WHICH moral law undergirds what is legislated? There are so many laws passed now (federal, state, city, local) I wonder how many times before presenting a law for vote legislators ask the question of whether the law under consideration is a necessary imposition duly considered and warranted to uphold the underlying moral code that governs every person in society?

As C.S. Lewis said there is no sense going on to second things without due consideration of first things.

As a corollary, if we are to accept the contemporary demand for a complete seperation of church and state (translated: a total divorce of Christian principles and ideas from all forms of government) then what morality do we turn to for our civility?

Thanks again Stan. A sobering post to think through.

Stan said...

Jeremy,

I would tend to concur that all laws are based on moral values, but I have an inherent aversion to using terms like "all" or "none" because they are so absolute. I used "most" because I, like you, couldn't think of a single one that was not, but I allowed for the remote possibility that there could be a law somewhere based on expediency or convenience rather than moral values. (Say, for instance, that a city wanted to have a certain appearance, so they pass a law that prohibits building homes that are not in line with that appearance. I wouldn't consider that a moral issue. It's not moral or immoral for a city to have a particular look. It may be a "value", but it's not a moral value.) (HOAs do this.)

The fact is, however, that almost all (if not all) laws are based on moral values. The question, then, is whose moral values get to determine the laws? And, as you pointed out, if "Separation of Church and State" means "religious moral values cannot be used", then there is no basis for "civility" or civil laws. Those can only be obtained by stealing from religious values.

I was just struck with this again yesterday. In 2006 Arizona passed a law that taxed packs of cigarettes $1 each to pay for "early childhood education" (read "indoctrination of kids between 0 and 5"). Talk about a moral value! "It is morally preferable that the state be allowed to take over the care and education of your kids from the start. And, it is morally preferable that smokers pay for it." The November voting pamphlet lists a new item on the ballot that throws out that "early childhood education" plan ... but not the tax. No, no, that will go into the State coffers anyway. So ... now the moral logic behind this is, "It's not morally preferable to allow the state to take over your kids ... but it is still more moral to take money from smokers than to not."

Jeremy D. Troxler said...

Stan,

I thought about HOA's and the like as an instance thinking to myself "it's just a preference of color, height of grass, brick vs. siding, etc. so that's not a moral issue". It is true that a preference is not the same as a moral; however if that preference moves to it is illegal to build with brick - then you have all of a sudden imposed a penalty, which is an inherently moral issue. It's probably not worth getting into semantics at this point but I may send you an email to discuss in more detail because I have given it a great deal of thought.

Your second paragraph and example of education and taxes is so commonplace today that it probably doesn't even raise an eyebrow. My wife listened to me for about 20 minutes last night because there were at least half a dozen stories back to back just like it ranging from education to annexation to taxes and several stories on Senate committee hearings for egg suppliers and college football recruits who took trips with agents before they left school.

It's absolutely infuriating; it does make me angry because the sinfulness of man ruins everything. Thankfully that makes the Good News all the better.

Stan said...

I will await your email with eager anticipation.