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Tuesday, September 26, 2023

Moving the Starting Line

I know a pastor in a Bible-based Christian church -- a church that does not believe in the ordination of women -- who believes in the ordination of women. He just kind of keeps that to himself and goes along with the church's policy. No actual conflict, then. But it makes me wonder. Not so much about this pastor, but about so many like him. What is it that leads one to believe that it's okay to ordain women to be pastors of churches?

On the surface it seems like an easy answer. They just figured it out. But, historically, they would be newcomers, pioneers. Historically the church did not ordained women as pastors until the 19th century. Think about that for a moment. Something like 1800 years passed in church history before anyone stood up and said, "Hey, hang on a minute, we've been doing this all wrong for the past, oh, 2 centuries or so." Women were always a key part of any church. They had churches in their homes. They served, likely as deaconnesses. Paul referred to them as "fellow workers" who "shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel" (Php 4:3). They were encouraged to minister to women (Titus 2:3-5). They had jobs, tasks, ministries, key roles. But Paul clearly stated, "I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man" (1 Tim 2:12-14). So, historically, the church had a policy ... get this ... to not allow women to teach or exercise authority over men. Amazing, isn't it? Now the modern church mind has come to the conclusion that nearly 2,000 years of Christians, male and female, were all wrong about this and now we've figured out that Paul did not mean that women couldn't teach or exercise authority over a man, that women "must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness" (1 Tim 2:11; 1 Cor 14:34-35), that God placed man as the head of woman (1 Cor 11:3) ... well, any of that. He was either wrong when he said it or we've misunderstood it ... again, for 2 centuries. Now, there are those who argue from Scripture that God did not mean to say that -- what we now have in our Bibles. "We've misunderstood," they argue, "and here's why." But it begs the question. Where did the Holy Spirit go wrong? I mean, Jesus said He would lead us into all truth (John 16:13), and it took Him 2,000 years to get this done? I suspect that this is not what's in play here. I suspect that modern thinking (where 19th century was definitely more "modern" than, say 1st century) infiltrated the church and modern thinkers said, "Wait a minute! That doesn't feel right ... in view of our modern thinking." So they searched about to "prooftext" their objections, not because the texts proved their point, but because, if you held your tongue just right, you could see their point. That is, they didn't argue from Scripture; they argued into Scripture. Instead of "Well, the Bible says this which means that that is true, so we need to adjust our thinking," it was, "Well, I feel like this is true, so I can only conclude that when the Bible appears to say that, it can't be true, so I'll try to find a way to approve of my feeling over clear Scripture."

Actually, Scripture is equally clear on this. One of the reasons Paul wrote to the Colossian Christians was, "so that no one will delude you with persuasive argument" (Col 2:4). What kind of persuasive argument? "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ" (Col 2:8) The problem is not with Christ or His Word. The problem is "persuasive argument," with "philosophy" based on "the tradition of men" rather than the Truth. It's always dangerous when we start our theology with "I feel" over "God says." It's always dangerous to begin with "my way of thinking" over against what God has given us as truth. And the problem is, the more we allow this syncretism, this melding of worldly perspective with Christian theology, the less we have of Christian theology and biblical truth and ... Christ.

6 comments:

Craig said...

I don't disagree with your larger point at all. But I have to express my respect for the pastor you mentioned in the first paragraph. In our current society, the very notion of subordinating personal opinions to the authority of the group one belongs to is anathema. One look at the slowly disintegrating remains of the PCUSA demonstrates what happens when individuals place their opinions over that of their denomination and become determined to force those opinions on that denomination regardless of history or the cost.

Lorna said...

Very well stated!

Lorna said...

Stan, You wrote, “But it makes me wonder. Not so much about this pastor, but about so many like him.” Actually, I would wonder about that pastor! If he holds an unbiblical view on that issue (and that’s his calling!), what else does he have all wrong?! I would predict that issues will come up…

David said...

And Catholics wonder why we celebrate the Reformation. It brought Scripture to the people so that we could read and understand it and not be beholden to the whims of an elite few.

Marshal Art said...

OH, but that's just "human tradition", though it happens to align perfectly with Scripture. Yeah. We "misunderstand" and how coincidental is our misunderstanding that it conflicts with their "understanding". But "persuasive arguments"? Not on this position! I've recently heard them all in a battle at a certain blog I won't name, except it's one where lies go to flourish.

And the position is not dependent upon any argument highlighting either the theological purity or corruption of the woman pastor in question. Ability doesn't enter into it. Yet, that's the basis for almost all "persuasive arguments" rendered on behalf of the practice...possibly more so than "equity" or whatever other moronic and dishonest plea is put forth.

It's nothing more noble, more Godly than personal preference. I get that some women feel called to preach and teach. But even that doesn't Trump what Scripture...where God's Will can be found...teaches on the issue.

One argument put forth was against my position that the Apostles are uniquely gifted in teaching the Church how it should operate as much as passing along Christ's teaching on human behavior. This argument was the use of the "rebuke" of Peter by Paul, which somehow made all Apostle fallible with regard to knowledge of God's Will.

The lengths some go to bend God to their will is astounding!

Stan said...

Just to be clear, Lorna, on not being so concerned about that pastor, I'm not ready to "shoot down" every pastor that holds an erroneous view. To be honest, I don't know one that doesn't. We all make errors and no pastor is above that. Since this particular pastor 1) subordinates his view on the subject to the leadership (which means he isn't adamant on the subject) and since 2) I haven't heard him utter error in church, I'm not so concerned about him.