Consider, then, what the logical progression of a consistent line of thinking might produce. Take, for instance, the "pro-abortion" stand. You may prefer "pro-choice", but the stand remains the same. It is premised first and foremost on the position that the highest consideration is that women get to choose on matters of their health. Fathers are irrelevant. Babies are not the point. Human life is not the question. "Women's choice" is the only important concern. Take that idea down its logical progression. Women, then, are certainly free to terminate the life of a baby in the womb. Consistent. At what point, though, is this no longer the case? Some have argued that only as long as the fetus is not "viable" -- cannot survive outside the womb -- is it a matter of choice. Others say, "No, no, as long as it's inside the mother, it's her choice." That means that a full-term baby, even in the process of birth, can be killed if the mother so chooses. And, that's consistent with the premise. But why does it stop there? Is not a woman deeply impacted when she has a child outside the womb? Why is it okay to kill a baby inside the mother and not outside? Why doesn't the mother have the choice as long as the child affects her health? And when does that stop? I know mothers with adult children who are physically stressed by their kids. Shouldn't she be able to terminate those lives as well if a "woman's choice" is the prime issue? That's consistent. Obviously no one will argue for it (or almost no one), but if integrity/consistency is the issue, you'll be hard-pressed to figure out why. And while you're thinking I'm exaggerating here, consider this. In the Journal of Medical Ethics you'll find a new "peer-reviewed" paper filed for your perusal. The abstract goes something like this:
Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call 'after-birth abortion' (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.Okay, exactly like that. This is not illogical. It is the reasonable progression as outlined in the abstract. Abortion is okay for a variety of reasons. Therefore the earliest stages of human life don't have the moral status of actual persons. Since "potential person" is irrelevant and adoption may be inconvenient, why not kill them? Why not? The title of the piece is "After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?" This is the logical progression of this line of thinking. And I'm not the only one following the logic.
Take, for instance, the "born that way" concept. The argument goes like this. People are born with their "sexual orientation". How do we know this? Well, the science of it has failed (given the lack of a "gay gene", the failure of identical orientation of identical twins, and the like), but we know it because the public thinks so and, if that's not enough, Lady Gaga has said so. What else do we need? Okay, so we're all "born that way", whatever way we are. If we're "born that way", it must be good. (Often the argument here is even religious in nature. "If God made me this way, it must be good.") Thus, we are born to sexual orientation and, therefore, it is good. Now, without refuting the "born that way" scenario, let's go down that logical path. "Born that way" equals "good". "Is" equals "ought". So where does this logic train take us? Well, modern medical science tells us that some people are born with a propensity to breast cancer. Instead of trying to counter that, why don't we embrace it as good? But that's not a "moral issue". How about alcoholism? Science says they believe that some people are born with addictive personalities, making them susceptible to alcoholism or gambling addiction or sexual addiction. How much time, energy, and money do we spend fighting off these horrible things only to discover now that "is" equals "ought" and "born that way" means "good"? There are also those in the scientific community that argue that some people are born with other inclinations like murder or criminal tendencies. If we are following the logic train, here, we must conclude that those people are, by virtue of birth tendencies, being good when they follow through on their alcoholism or their murder sprees. How dare you suggest that it's immoral? They don't choose to be this way. We should embrace their birth heritage and allow them free expression because "born that way" means "good" and we embrace good. Another example, then, of thinking logically and consistently down the reasonable path to the wrong conclusion.
Take, for instance, the Darwinian Evolution position. Even some who classify themselves as Christians buy into Darwinian Evolution. Sure, when it comes to moral issues it's possibly acceptable to claim "the Bible tells me so", but when it comes to the origins of the species, science tells me so. Darwinian Evolution, by definition irreligious ("natural selection", "survival of the fittest"), has a natural logical course to follow as well. For instance, given neo-Darwinian Evolution, whence comes morality? There is, of course, "empirical morality" -- what people do. This is easily explained by evolutionary theory simply by suggesting "what works". As such, it becomes pragmatism rather than morality. But the broader question, "normative morality" -- "how then shall we live?" -- is much more difficult to find in evolutionary theory. For instance, while "survival of the fittest" would seem to demand being prolific and, therefore, eliminate the concept of marital fidelity, we cling to a nearly universal notion that adultery is wrong. People ought to be faithful to their spouses, even though this defies evolutionary theory. Most people will say that we are morally obligated to take care of the weakest of the species even though evolutionary theory would cry out against it. Thus, if we are looking for integrity from a neo-Darwinian Evolution position, normative morality -- how we ought to live -- will have to be thrown out in favor of pragmatism -- what works for me. Indeed, some of our pet projects would have to go. Saving species of animals who are nearing extinction makes no sense from an evolutionary perspective. Caring for the elderly or the sickly infants doesn't fit. Indeed, Peter Singer argues that we ought to be using these types for medical experimentation. Just because they're human doesn't mean they should have special treatment. That, according to Singer, is speciesism. And, while this seems horrific to your casual observer, it is also perfectly consistent with neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory. Without even going to Singer's extreme, you may recall the "lifeboat" exercises of days gone by -- "values clarification". "You're on a lifeboat designed to hold 15 people and there are 20 people on board. If you don't get down to 15, you will all perish. How do you decide who lives and who dies?" In this scenario the sick, elderly, handicapped, or very young are sacrificed for the sake of the healthy -- those who might survive. Consistent with social evolutionary theory and neo-Darwinism, but not with normative morality. Darwinian Evolution cannot provide any basis for a moral code that transcends personal preference or pragmatic concerns. Still, they want to hang on to both a rejection of religious influence and a binding transpersonal moral code. It's not rational. It is not consistent. It lacks integrity.
I would like to point out that nothing I have said here calls on people who disagree with my views to change their basis of thinking. Do you want to favor "women's choice"? Fine, do so. But do so consistently rather than irrationally. Do you want to argue "born that way"? Go ahead and do so, but do it with integrity. Are you in favor of "marriage equity? Then why aren't you favoring polygamy and polyamory, too? Be consistent. Are you going to argue Evolution over a biblical perspective of the origins of our universe? That's perfectly okay. I'm not asking you not to. I'm simply suggesting that you do so consistently and rationally. After all, making rational arguments irrationally just doesn't make sense, does it? And if you're not willing to follow your line of thinking to its rational conclusions, perhaps your line of thinking needs some correction. All of us should keep that in mind.
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Another great, thought-provoking article, Stan!
Stan, when you twist people's actual position, as you do here...
It is premised first and foremost on the position that the highest consideration is that women get to choose on matters of their health. Fathers are irrelevant. Babies are not the point. Human life is not the question. "Women's choice" is the only important concern.
You come across as lacking in integrity and consistency. That is, you would argue that honesty is an important value, but then you twist people's actual positions, making you out as a dishonest person, lacking in integrity and consistency. "It's important to be honest," you appear to be arguing, "BUT, if I think it important enough, I can twist people's positions/words and bear false witness, because I think they're mistaken..." or whatever your reasoning is.
Of course, it could also be that you honestly don't see that you're twisting positions and you do so in ignorance. I am sure that is the case here and so, I'll give you a chance to prove that you are a man of integrity and not inconsistent or dishonest: All you have to do is correct the multiple misrepresentations you have made in this post. If you truly don't know what they are, here's a couple of starters...
1. How you've misrepresented the poor/wealthy position of some.
2. How you've misrepresented the pro-choice position.
Correct away and prove you're not dishonest or inconsistent and that you've only made a human mistake out of ignorance...
Apparently, Dan, you are 1) unaware of a literary form of communication known as "hyperbole" in which a position is exaggerated to make a point and 2) the fact that every person (including you) who argues in favor of legalized abortion does so on the basis of "women's choice". No one argues for legalized abortion because it benefits the child or is good for fathers or because of its highly moral standing outside of the realm of "women's choice". Indeed, the two standard options are "pro-life" or "pro-choice", pitting either "life" or "choice" as the ultimate values. The "life" sides says, "The value of human life trumps the value of women's choice" and the "choice" side says, "No, the highest value between life and choice is choice." Yes, I overstated the "pro-choice" position, but in the final analysis not by much. That's "hyperbole".
So when you argue that murder is bad and you argue that abortion is wrong but "I don't want to come between a woman's right to make her own medical choices", you are arguing that choice trumps murder.
How I misrepresented "the poor/wealthy position of some" eludes me. Do you not believe that being poor is a blessing from God? Are you not in favor of working to eliminate poverty in the world? And are you not among the top 5% of wealth in the world? The simple fact that many who decry the position of the poor while contributing nothing to their plight is a matter of public record, not my opinion. Hopefully that wasn't about you. But I don't see where I missed on the rest. Unless you mean that my representation of "the poor/wealthy position of some" must cover all. If the shoe fits ... you know.
That you disagree is clear. It doesn't mean that I'm wrong. It means you disagree. Now, if you mean that it is not possible to express truth in any way except woodenly literal (no poetry, hyperbole, anthropomorphisms, etc.) and using these devices is dishonest and inconsistent, then I suppose we'll have a bigger disagreement than I realized.
Stan, thanks for sharing your wisdom.
Proverbs 18:2 NIV
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.
Proverbs 23:9 NIV
Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words.
Stan,
How dare you not accurately represent the positions of others, it's especially egregious when you've only claimed to be summarizing the positions of "some".
It appears that there is some confusion on what the word "some' means.
Actually, really good stuff. I've noticed that many folks are uncomfortable when there premise it taken to a logical conclusion.
For instance I had a conversation who spoke of being in favor of marriage equity for all. After some clarifications it comes to pass that all didn't actually mean all. It meant all who the person thought were deserving of marriage equity, but none of those who thought should be excluded.
To close, we are all inconsistent to some degree, but I (and probably a few others) are willing to admit it.
Craig, indeed all of us suffer from inconsistency from time to time. Even Christians, for instance, fear death even though a consistent perspective would be "to die is gain." I find the aim for consistency in my own thinking has helped correct errors in my own thinking.
And isn't it funny that those who are arguing for "marriage equity" are not arguing that bisexuals should be able to marry a male and a female or that polygamists should be allowed to marry multiple spouses or that polyamorists should be allowed to marry whatever they want? Apparently "marriage equity" is not about marriage equity after all.
Amen.
I admit it's a little easier to live with inconsistencies in, say, my political philosophies than in my spiritual life. But I keep looking for them and striving to be more consistent.
Sadly, most people refuse to think it out. They tend to call you evasive or alarmist if you try to point out the lack of consistency. Recently I saw a video about Santorum (I think) speaking at a college. He was asked about his stance on gay marriage. He tried pointing out that their view of "marriage equity" was narrow-sighted, but he just got completely booed and jeered to the point he refused to continue the discussion. Before he quit, he was addressing one specific woman in the crowd, he was able to get her to admit that she thought everyone should have the same right to the same "happiness", yet wouldn't admit the logical conclusion that led to.
Give me what I want, just don't tell me the truth about it.
Stan,
you simplify the issues you talk about a lot. For example you say "No one argues for legalized abortion because it benefits the child" but what about women who have been impregnated through rape, and are in financial difficulty - what's the "logical" progression for the child in that situation?
There is so much "hyperbole" in your article that it is detrimental to any point about "logical" progression you are making, and doesn't seem to have any basis in reality - you do not highlight caveats or look at things from any other perspective which makes your arguments only seem at all valid to those who already share them.
If you didn't preach to the converted and took into acount the many other perspectives on each issue you brought up, then your article may have some value to others.
Kind Regards.
You're saying I'm wrong, and that people DO argue that the best thing they can do for a child is murder it? That's sad ... really, really sad. But you may be right.
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