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Monday, October 05, 2009

Oh, Hell? No.

"Excuse me, do you believe in Hell?" "In what?" "Hell." "Oh, Hell? No."

The concept of Hell has been part and parcel of Christianity since it began. Today the idea is slipping into the Hell of Tossed Ideas. A survey in 2006 held that 76% of Americans believed in Hell. In 2008, that number was down to 59%. While belief in Heaven remains fairly high, the idea that there is some sort of eternal damnation, some torment forever for my sins, is no longer the fear factor it once was. Most people are pretty sure they'll get to Heaven. Hell is not an issue.

When I was younger, I was baffled by the idea of Hell. I got that it was intended to be punishment for sin. I was fine with punishment for sin. However, I wondered, "Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime?" After all, if I defied my mom and dad, I got something like a spanking. If I defied God, I got eternal torment. How was that reasonable? If I commit temporal crimes, why do I get eternal punishment? This was all, of course, because I was operating from the center of Man rather than God. Sin was just "doing bad things" and God was a big Dad. I was a nice fellow. Why would I deserve that kind of response?

God explains the problem in a different light. Starting with God, we see the One and Only Master of the Universe, the King, the Sovereign of All. He doesn't simply make suggestions; His Word is Law. He not only demands, but deserves complete obedience. So we, as creations of His, see those demands and respond with "I will make myself like the Most High" (Isa 14:14). We decide to overthrow the King of the Universe and make ourselves masters of our universe. Looking at this top down, we can see that our refusal to submit to the King of Kings is not simply a violation of rules. It is treason. We are committing Cosmic Treason against the King. Now, in normal, temporal governments, treason is punishable by temporal death. It makes sense, then, that in an eternal government, the punishment for treason would be eternal death.

The second problem in our thinking about Hell is that we have some faulty definitions. Take, for instance, the concepts of "life" and "death". We see them as fairly simple ideas. Life, to us, is the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally. Death, then, would be the absence of life, the permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism. Not much controversy there. God, however, sees these differently. Jesus said, "This is eternal life, that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" (John 17:3). From God's perspective, then, life is our relationship with God and His Son. The absence of life would be the absence of said relationship. Jesus confirmed this when He told of those who would come to Him falsely claiming Him as Lord. The defining problem, according to Jesus, was "I never knew you" (Matt 7:23).

Another faulty definition we perpetrate is thinking of "Hell" as "a place of fire". The biblical concept of Hell is simply the place of the dead. The Old Testament word is Sheol, and the concept is simply the grave. The New Testament (Greek) word is Hades, the grave. Now, don't misunderstand. I'm not saying that there is no place of eternal torment, of eternal death. I'm saying that our wording here is confused. According to John, at the end of the Millennial Kingdom, "Death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire" (Rev 20:14). So, if both Death and Hell are terminated in this "lake of fire", what are we talking about when we use the term "Hell" as eternal death and eternal torment? In fact, how do "eternal death" and "eternal torment go together?

So, we have a view of sin that is simply "doing bad things" and God sees it as Cosmic Treason. We see "life" as living and breathing and death as the permanent cessation of such life while God sees it as connection to Him or the lack thereof. We see "Hell" as "a place of eternal fire" and God terminates Hell in the Lake of Fire. Holding up the concept of Hell to these new values, then, we might begin to have a new perspective on Hell. First, Hell is not the final resting place of sinners. The "Lake of Fire" is. But that's a minor issue, a trivial point, a matter of terminology, not reality. The reality is that Cosmic Treason demands justice and the just recompense for that crime is Cosmic Death. Life is not living and breathing, but connection with God, so Cosmic Death would be an eternal separation from God.

"Oh," some might think, "that's not so bad. You're just talking about separation. That's nothing at all like 'fire and brimstone' like we hear about." Again, we're suffering from a faulty concept. Humans are designed by God to be in connection to God. We are built in His image and fashioned to have a relationship with Him. This loss of connection, this separation from God, is not a small issue. Interestingly, the most prolific information we have on the eternal torment that awaits those who are damned comes from the Son of God. People like to think of Jesus as a warm and loving guy, but Jesus spoke more of Hell than He did of Heaven. It is Jesus who gives descriptions like "the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43) and "Where their worm does not die" (Mark 9:48). Whatever it is, we know that it is eternal and it is torment.

The final abode of those who die without Christ may not be a place of fire. That image comes from language in Scripture and is popularized by Dante's Inferno. Whether or not it is literally such a place is up for discussion. What we do know is that it is eternal, that it is eternal death, that it is eternal separation from God, that it is eternal torment. Physical torment? Who knows? But I suspect there will be slim satisfaction to the soul that is damned to find out that it isn't fire and brimstone ... just eternal torment.

13 comments:

David said...

We also fail to realize the gap between us and the Holy of Holy's. Our concept of holy is faulty and incomplete. We can't fathom perfection, and so we are led to compare ourselves to the prominent standard around us, our fellow man. There is just no equation we can make between God's holiness and our depravity, even someone as holy as Mother Theresa is a very dim, nearly blank, view of how holy God is.

Stan said...

That's funny, David, because it so happens that my post for this coming Wednesday touches on that concept.

Rick Lannoye said...

Good points.

The real good news here is that Hell is a myth, plain and simple, an aweful story, made up by MEN, to frighten the masses into submission. Based on the study you mention, the masses seem to be catching on.

But there are still a LOT of people who are suffering from the fear of this place. For this reason, I've written an entire book on this topic--"Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There's No Such Place As Hell," (for anyone interested, you can get a free Ecopy of my book at my website: www.ricklannoye.com), but if I may, let me share one of the many points I make in it--that not even Jesus believed in Hell!

If one is willing to look, there's substantial evidence contained in the gospels to show that Jesus opposed the idea of Hell. For example, in Luke 9:51-56, is a story about his great disappointment with his disciples when they actually suggested imploring God to rain FIRE on a village just because they had rejected him. His response: "You don't know what spirit is inspiring this kind of talk!" Presumably, it was NOT the Holy Spirit. He went on, trying to explain how he had come to save, heal and relieve suffering, not be the CAUSE of it.

So it only stands to reason that this same Jesus, who was appalled at the very idea of burning a few people, for a few horrific minutes until they were dead, could never, ever burn BILLIONS of people for an ETERNITY!

True, there are a few statements that made their way into the gospels which place Hell on Jesus lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death, most likely due to the Church filling up with Greeks who imported their belief in Hades with them when they converted.

Sherry said...

Thank you for this hellish post.

I can't help but wonder why, when it seems to me that The Bible leads us to believe that MOST of God's human creation will end up spending eternity separated from Him (which is a somewhat more "gentle" way of saying "in eternal torment"), The Bible says so little about such a big thing?

For what good purpose, I wonder, are we left so "in the dark" in regard to where masses of us may spend all eternity? It seems that even just a few more verses on this subject might have been nice.

Just another thing about which we must guess, speculate, and wonder.

Stan said...

Rick Lannoye: "Good points."

I'm thinking that 1) you didn't read what I wrote here or 2) what I responded to you here because in this post I said that the concept of an eternal punishment was very real and in the other I said that I disagreed with your assertion that it was a made-up thing. But, since you believe in an unreliable Bible ("Hell is a myth, plain and simple, an aweful story, made up by MEN, to frighten the masses into submission" and "There are a few statements that made their way into the gospels which place Hell on Jesus lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death."), we have no means of common communication.

To my other readers, feel free to visit Mr. Lannoye's website and read his EBook, but understand that it is neither a biblical nor orthodox position.

Stan said...

Sherry, I guess I don't feel like I'm "in the dark" about where the masses spend eternity ... or even why (hint: Rom 9:22). I suspect you will find more in the Bible on damnation than you do on heaven. (Did you know, for instance, that our oh-so-popular "pearly gates and streets of gold" concept is not a biblical representation of heaven, but a representation of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:10-25)?) We really know very little about heaven (except that it is a place of eternal joy) and only a little more about the other place (you know, like a place of eternal misery). We are, in my estimation, told what we need to know. One is a very good place to be because we will eternally be with God and the other is a very bad place to be because they are eternally without God. The rest is an attempt to explain to finite, Earth-bound minds how "eternally with God" is really, really good and "eternally without God" is really, really bad.

Sherry said...

I suppose we do know enough. I do know that if our creator and God is love and light, I certainly do NOT want to spend eternity in a place where He is not ~ a place which (among other things) must be dark and lonely. How flip and foolish of some to think they might someday be drinking beer and just partying away throughout eternity with all their jolly friends in Hell. Beer is used to anesthetize you from your pain, so I rather doubt that demon waitpersons will be showing up anytime, with towels draped over their arms, offering you unlimited and free "tall cold ones". And it might be awfully hard to find your friends in the dark, eh?!

But then, if you remove most of the "extra" words in the last part of my first statement, you can reduce it right down to "I don't want to", which reminds me an awful lot of what you just wrote about your grandchildren, and not just them but most of us. I want this and I want that! I don't want to!

I may have my wants but one of those includes that I want/hope to glorify God both here on Planet Earth and eternally. I would hope that He would find me a daughter of which He could be proud or pleased. It can be very hard to completely extract ourselves and our desires from the picture, but FEAR of being kept out of Heaven and from God's presence should not be what motivates people to accept Him. We know that our enemy is the author of fear and lies and will use them in any way he can to his advantage, so of course a person motivated by fear would only be running FROM eternal punishment and not TO the heart of God. No matter what we say, do, or think, God knows what's in our hearts and will weed out those whose motives are not right. I'm sure He would understand us fearing eternal damnation but of course He will know, too, if we really do love Him and honor Him, or not.

Stan said...

One of the most convicting questions I've ever been asked was, "If you knew that heaven would be a place without tears, a happy place of peace and joy ... but God wouldn't be there, would you want to go?" Too often we're (I'm) looking for the comfortable rather than the pure relationship with my Father. When I'm in my right mind, anywhere apart from Him would be torment.

Sherry said...

That IS a good question to ask of ourselves. It can be too easy sometimes to forget the actual PERSON of God and to start thinking of Him more in terms of His position.

When you are in true and intimate communion (or communication) with Him, there is NO better place to be! Walking around, side-by-side, feeling like you are almost attached at the hip to Jesus, tucked under one of His arms, Him seeing everything you see and hearing everything you hear and having Him RIGHT THERE to talk about things with, is so much BETTER THAN any earthly relationship that's it's not even funny!

It is THE way, THE truth, and, boy, is it ever THE LIFE! After a lifetime of searching and perhaps trying many different things in hope of relief from what ails you, you can finally say, "Now THIS is the life!" And, no matter how many birthdays you have from then on, this time on earth is just the beginning of your eternal life.

David said...

Did Mr. Lannoye just copy his previous comment in another post and paste it here? Put 1 more post in your blog about hell and see if he does it again.

Stan said...

He seems to search for references to Hell and comment. He doesn't seem to read what is said. Go figure. "Don't bother me with facts. I know I'm right."

Danny Wright said...

Lannoye's position and proof text is the same, as I remember it, as the Jehovah’s Witnesses. How can someone build their "know" on the same foundation that they subsequently destroy. Sounds like sand to me. In any case, in my studies of the JW's I learned that, if the story about Lazarus in Hell in Luke 16 is a parable it is the only one that mentions a name. Any thoughts on this?

Stan said...

It is a problem, isn't it? He is quite sure that Jesus's references (and, oh, by the way, there are a lot of them) to Hell (eternal torment) were added. He cannot see the possibility (indeed, if you go by the numbers, the probability) that some perceived reference that might deny Jesus's belief in a place of eternal torment might be the distortion. (Note: Since I don't believe there is any distortion, the "probability" suggestion above is only from their perspective, not mine.)

I am personally convinced (but won't die on this hill) that the story of Lazarus and the rich man is a story -- an actual incident that took place. There is no "Jesus told them a parable" as in so many others. It has actual names involved. It isn't referenced like a parable, but more like an event. I think Jesus was telling about something that actually happened, not a parable.