tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post8878607334173065641..comments2024-03-28T08:41:39.614-07:00Comments on Winging It: ControversialStanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-83222729559324225162016-01-29T17:20:38.308-07:002016-01-29T17:20:38.308-07:00I wonder why there can't at least be agreement...I wonder why there can't at least be agreement that there are often texts on both sides (especially in reference to the posted topics here) that need to be reconciled. There are certainly passages that speak of God doing all He pleases and passages that speak of us thwarting Him, but typically one side or both ignores the passages against their view instead of reconciling then as they need to be. That's why I often side with Stan, he tries to look at both sides presented in Scripture and figure out how they agree (since if they truly disagreed we would have a worthless book instead of the reliable Word of God).Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08443810898475961105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-73633846752678779612016-01-29T12:06:07.371-07:002016-01-29T12:06:07.371-07:00Humans, biblically, cannot do whatever they please...Humans, biblically, cannot do <i>whatever</i> they please. See the example of Abimelech, whom God <i>prevented</i> from sinning (Gen 20:6). <i>When</i> humans do what they please, it would <i>have</i> to be that God is pleased to allow it. See Judas Iscariot (Luke 22:22). Neither of these are in disagreement. What <i>is</i> in disagreement is that God (for example) <i>cannot</i> save someone who does not want to be saved.<br /><br />(I'm not sure about your question in that last sentence. While I did not say "It is impossible that 'We can do whatever we please'" because I don't say that, how does saying that Man can do anything whatsoever that he wants to do reflect on what God can or cannot do?)Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-49436724631554312342016-01-29T11:17:27.131-07:002016-01-29T11:17:27.131-07:00To say that God can do whatever he pleases, does n...To say that God can do whatever he pleases, does not explicitly mean that humans can't do whatever they please. It just means that IF humans can do whatever they please, it is because it pleases God to allow that. <br /><br />If you say it is impossible that "We can do whatever we please", aren't you the one defining what God can or can not do?Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-26591271636096682882016-01-29T10:48:01.398-07:002016-01-29T10:48:01.398-07:00I didn't mean to imply that there is nothing i...I didn't mean to imply that there is nothing in Scripture that is controversial. Indeed, the two I listed as "not controversial" are indeed controversial to me. But when "He does whatever He pleases" is taken to mean "We do whatever we please" and "All Scripture is breathed out by God" is taken to mean "The Bible isn't a reliable book", I'm baffled. Further, when the plain meaning of texts like these do not collide with any other Scripture and are explicit, why would anyone take them to mean something different?<br /><br />On the two that I listed as "not controversial", taking the first to mean "It is God's will that no human being should perish" as is often the case collides with other Scripture, and taking the second to mean "God loves the world <i>so much</i> ..." disagrees with the text itself. (Taking Titus 2:11 unexamined would put it in the former category.)Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-35891658798731139992016-01-29T10:19:43.382-07:002016-01-29T10:19:43.382-07:00I meant Titus 2:11 in my previous post.I meant Titus 2:11 in my previous post.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-38062646756491497322016-01-29T10:18:40.868-07:002016-01-29T10:18:40.868-07:00Wouldn't you consider all these controversial?...Wouldn't you consider all these controversial? You disagree that the plain meaning of some of the passages (the middle two, along with passages like Titus 2:2), means what it appears to plainly mean. Other Christians disagree that the plain meaning of the passage (The first, at least) means what you think it appears to mean. Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-41179427586114650042016-01-29T08:29:29.154-07:002016-01-29T08:29:29.154-07:00"I don't understand what people who class..."I don't understand what people who classify themselves as Christians classify as controversial."<br /><br />Love it.Eternity Mattershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15979906455480689798noreply@blogger.com