tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post7512941350570991404..comments2024-03-28T13:07:51.025-07:00Comments on Winging It: End TimesStanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-7351529441827102942011-06-23T10:02:01.314-07:002011-06-23T10:02:01.314-07:00I would guess that, since God thought that putting...I would guess that, since God thought that putting prophecy in His Word was important, I should consider it important. I would also guess that it's possible to take it either too far or too lightly. Balance ... that's what I need.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-87589446480033965462011-06-23T09:08:57.861-07:002011-06-23T09:08:57.861-07:00I'm with you there. I think I agree most with ...I'm with you there. I think I agree most with a pastor we had in Texas. He said he was a "pan-millenialist . . . it will all pan out in the end."<br />:)<br /><br />I do think it is important to read and think about the end times prophecies, but I also think sometimes we get kind of hung up on it. Especially when you start talking about the tribulation and anti-Christ and I get the feeling whole groups are way more interested in figuring out who the anti-Christ is than learning more about who Christ was.<br /><br />And that's sort of where the pan-millenialist joke came in. If you know Christ, you'll recognize him when the trumpet blows, no matter what form that takes or how the prophecies all fit together.Danahttp://roscommonacres.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-66918156375671573172011-06-23T07:40:35.803-07:002011-06-23T07:40:35.803-07:00I'm with you there, Neil.
I have several teac...I'm with you there, Neil.<br /><br />I have several teachers that I like, that I respect, but I don't know a single one with whom I agree 100%.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-3782051022704451122011-06-23T06:55:08.818-07:002011-06-23T06:55:08.818-07:00I struggle with eschatology. Too many really smar...I struggle with eschatology. Too many really smart, sincere Christians with different views. I am a huge MacArthur fan and listen to his Podcasts, but this is one area where I think he is weak. I just don't see the support for the pre-trib bit.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351286913547309232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-53493633747068806852011-06-23T06:35:39.429-07:002011-06-23T06:35:39.429-07:00Ah, a fellow questioner. You get it.
I figure the...Ah, a fellow questioner. You get it.<br /><br />I figure the fact that it's "curvedforward" (don't hold your breath on that becoming an everyday term) is that it's future. The Jews didn't get their own prophecies about the coming Messiah. Was He to be servant or king? Yes! (Another reason why I tend toward the "both/and" side.)<br /><br />I also know that, on one hand, it's important and, on the other hand, it's not. That is, it's God's truth and it's the end of the story and it <i>does</i> require that we remain watchful and rely on Him. That's all very important. But if we're wrong in the details, I don't see the serious consequences. So I'm not going to die on this hill.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-31013585347173401502011-06-23T04:34:58.451-07:002011-06-23T04:34:58.451-07:00Wow, Stan...this is exactly my story, as well.
I&...Wow, Stan...this is exactly my story, as well.<br /><br />I've never had an amillennialist tell me why God, in His covenant with Israel, would promise them a land, a nation and a ruler, but would fulfill the first two promises literally, and the last one figuratively (Christ ruling now from heaven, as opposed to literally on the throne of David in Jerusalem). On the other hand, I've never had a great grasp of the 'soon' issues, either. I've also seen a lot of things that point to passages some hold to as talking about a rapture, that seem more likely to be talking about the second coming, and vice versa.<br /><br />What I wonder is, why is this area so difficult? When everything else seems so straightforward, why is this so 'curvedforward?' (I think I just coined a new phrase...will it catch on?)<br /><br />I personally struggle with current events in the world, because they seem to point toward to what I would think is a more premillenialist view. Non-Christians have said that if we were to have a major world-catastrophe (they said, "like planes being bombed out of the sky simultaneously around the globe," but I heard, "rapture"), we could have a one-world government in about 15 days. The New World Order, George Soros, the tornados in Alabama and Joplin, the tsunami and earthquake in Japan, the floods up and down the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers, (now including Minot, ND), the "Arab Spring," all of the Arab world, including Iran, wanting to wipe Israel off the map, renewed anti-semitism, this time globally and not just in one nation...I could go on and on.<br /><br />I also know that people have been 'seeing signs' for a couple thousand years, so there's no telling when the Lord will return. I used to get frustrated with the people who would call themselves, "pan-millenialists...it'll all pan out in the end" because I felt, at the time, that premillenialsm was clearly spelled out in Scripture. But the more I try to study it, the more I feel like those 'pan-millenialists.'<br /><br />I suppose this very well may be exactly what the Lord wants. Us having to rely on Him, watching intently each day, living in a way that awaits His return at any moment.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07070216808731110000noreply@blogger.com