tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post7113940385929010037..comments2024-03-28T12:16:43.334-07:00Comments on Winging It: Hard Topics - ImmigrationStanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-56890431659970549402015-12-03T19:04:36.414-07:002015-12-03T19:04:36.414-07:00http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-threat-from-minn...http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-threat-from-minnesota-men/article/1070597<br /><br />I guess I'm not alone.<br /><br />I wouldn't blame him, but he and some other writers have spun out some scenarios that have come really close to reality. Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-20540120178702640472015-12-03T18:59:58.466-07:002015-12-03T18:59:58.466-07:00Sure, blame it on Clancy.Sure, blame it on Clancy.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-25031028590967864412015-12-03T18:37:09.733-07:002015-12-03T18:37:09.733-07:00If I was diabolical I think I'd send at least ...If I was diabolical I think I'd send at least a few in as refugees. If they get through great, if they get caught it scares people and takes focus away from other means of sending people here. <br /><br />But I probably spend too much time reading stuff like Tom Clancy for my own good��Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-60237178718862912662015-12-03T15:53:11.780-07:002015-12-03T15:53:11.780-07:00Hmm, interesting thought. Now, if I was as diaboli...Hmm, interesting thought. Now, if I was as diabolical as, say, ISIS appears to be, then I might consider NOT sending any of my people in with refugees (since they'd likely get caught in background checks), but count on "radicalizing" (as the media likes to call it) the refugees they let in. Great, another factor.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-68209266083183581952015-12-03T13:35:10.245-07:002015-12-03T13:35:10.245-07:00I'd have to look at what the specifics are in ...I'd have to look at what the specifics are in terms of what states are saying. <br /><br />I totally agree that in the midst of all of this we have to address the issue of Muslim violence against Christians and factor that into the process.<br /><br />I realize that intellectual consistency isn't a big priority for the left, but hope springs eternal.<br /><br />At the risk of broad brushing an entire community, I think that it is instructive to look at the Somali community here in the Twin Cities and the numbers of youth that are being recruited to join various Muslim terror groups. Again, it's not a large percentage (and I know enough others to believe that most want nothing to do with these groups), but the fact that it is actually happening in significant enough numbers that it is a concern of law enforcement suggests that the same type of thing is likely to happen with Syrian refugees as well.<br />Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-53309982807159661222015-12-03T10:31:22.030-07:002015-12-03T10:31:22.030-07:00Craig, I think Texas, at least, is saying "NI...Craig, I think Texas, at least, is saying "NIMBY" -- "Not In My BackYard." They don't want <i>any</i> of them there. More than just Texas.<br /><br />Another problem (especially with Glenn's thoughts in mind) is the problem of Syrian <i>Christian</i> refugees. I was reading about an ongoing problem of Christians in Muslim countries (like Syria) who are fleeing Muslim persecution only to get put in Muslim refugee camps where they encounter ... Muslim persecution.<br /><br />And if you're looking for consistent thinking from those who throw out Christ on one hand and throw Him back at you on the other, I think you'll be sorely disappointed. ;) Sad that it comes so often from the "Christian Left".Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-45852704114651229012015-12-03T10:13:18.715-07:002015-12-03T10:13:18.715-07:00Stan,
I'm sure there are a few folks who say ...Stan,<br /><br />I'm sure there are a few folks who say that we should keep everyone out, but the majority of what I'm seeing is more along the lines of managing and/or limiting, and/or screening people to determine who should be allowed in.<br /><br />The other topic we don't see much is why aren't the other Muslim nations taking more of these refugees? One big issue is the Sunni/Shia divide.<br /><br />I also think it's interesting how many people who throw out the "theocracy" canard when it comes to things like limiting abortion etc, are so quick to suggest that we make refugee and immigration policy based on their interpretation of what Jesus said. Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-65726763100753701502015-12-03T09:50:15.285-07:002015-12-03T09:50:15.285-07:00I agree we are no longer a nation of "give me...I agree we are no longer a nation of "give me your tired, your poor" as a free-for-all. We need to follow the laws established for new immigrants, including the need to vet them so we aren't opening our doors to criminals and terrorists.<br /><br />I also agree that there are ways "Americans" should be looking at the situation vs "Christians" doing so. Christians should be Christians first and Americans second. As a Christian, I refuse to be saddled with financial burdens of non-believers as long as there are believers in need. As an American I refuse to be saddled with financial burdens of invaders as long as we have Americans who have bonafide needs that aren't being addressed.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-40696914219753454082015-12-03T09:45:36.026-07:002015-12-03T09:45:36.026-07:00Glenn, without even attempting to pass any judgmen...Glenn, without even attempting to pass any judgment on your view as you've stated it, would you say that we are no longer (indeed, <i>ought</i> no longer to be) a nation of "give me your tired your poor ..."?<br /><br />Part of my difficulty with the topic is "America" versus "Christians". As a nation, I see one set of answers. As Christians, I see another.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-52015144300469991822015-12-03T09:40:27.546-07:002015-12-03T09:40:27.546-07:00Humans do have a truth problem.
(Although I do be...Humans <i>do</i> have a truth problem.<br /><br />(Although I <i>do</i> believe there is a minority of people who actually believe we should block all those darn refugees, hunker down, and defend ourselves from the invaders. And since our society is really obsessed with the extreme minority, it could be a problem.)Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-80094488866519538942015-12-03T09:39:30.558-07:002015-12-03T09:39:30.558-07:00I have no compassion for "illegal" immig...I have no compassion for "illegal" immigrants - they are violating the laws and adding horrible financial burdens on the rest of the nation.<br /><br />I have three issues with the "legal" immigration of the so-called refugees:<br /><br />1. How do we know if they are truly "refugees" and not Muslim invaders, to where what is happening in Europe will be happening here?<br /><br />2. As a nation, we have so many people who are already homeless (not by choice) and in need of assistance that we virtually ignore (especially veterans), that we have no business adding more people to our welfare programs while those American citizens are still in need.<br /><br />3. As Christians, we are told to FIRST help those of the Church (Gal. 6:10), and as long as we have people of the Church in need, we have no business spending our money and time helping non-believers. I have seen this happen way to often in local assemblies where they have all these "outreach ministries" to the poor or otherwise needy all the while ignoring those in their own assemblies who are in need of assistance in many ways. There are too many real believers in need for people to claim that Christians should be helping these mostly Muslim "refugees."Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-2314293226721001032015-12-03T09:26:28.884-07:002015-12-03T09:26:28.884-07:00Stan,
This ties in with my post about the narrati...Stan,<br /><br />This ties in with my post about the narrative. I think it's safe to say that no one is actually advocating that the US do nothing and take in no refugees. What is being advocated is that we do so in a way that balances all of the things you lay out. Despite the fact that this is actually a pretty reasonable position, the narrative is that the evil right wing doesn't want to help these people at all and that these refugees must be equated to Jesus. Of course this is blatantly and demonstrably false, but it doesn't stop people from repeating it ad nauseum all over the place. Why let a little thing like Truth get in the way of a narrative that advances ones political agenda?Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-466559152305769492015-12-03T05:55:53.729-07:002015-12-03T05:55:53.729-07:00During the time after the war in Iraq when we were...During the time after the war in Iraq when we were helping them settle their own government, a comedian cracked, "Why can't they use our Constitution? We're not using it." I feel the same way about my brain.<br /><br />"<i>We are not dealing with peacetime problems.</i>"<br /><br />Now that's an interesting point. I'll have to think of it through that lens. If we were obviously at war ... you know, World War II or something ... how would we view, say, immigrants from Germany or Japan? I don't mean "How <i>did</i> we view them?" I mean how <i>should</i> we? Many Germans, for instance, were trying to escape Nazi Germany, but others would have been glad to sneak in with them to cause us harm. Given that we are not dealing with peacetime problems, how <i>should</i> we balance the genuine need for sanctuary with the genuine threat of danger? Interesting.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-46753371322440494412015-12-03T05:36:20.159-07:002015-12-03T05:36:20.159-07:00 I always come away with new insights when ever yo... I always come away with new insights when ever you post a subject. i wish i had your brain, that way i could play with mine, not worrying if i might drop it or lose it. ok since you covered all the bases which you are so apt to do. i came up with two observations: <br />1. in order to help anyone we must deal from a position of strength. if we want to feed, we must have enough food for all. if we provide health care or welfare we must have enough funds to pay for it. our country has changed significantly in that our population has expanded to the degree, that our founding fathers could never have imagined. so the american sentiment is the same, bring us your poor. but we simply cannot provide quality services, to keep up with the ever expanding needs. <br />2. security vs freedom: it is not enough that we are being inundated with refugees from south america and mexico, but now our boarders are being crossed by terrorist bent upon killing innocent people. we are at war with Radical Islam. this compounds the problem of immigration. if we clamp down on security to address this issue we forfeit our freedoms. but if we allow the boarders to remain open, or allow un-vetted Syrian refugees to enter our country, we risk our security. we are not dealing with peace time problems. Bobnoreply@blogger.com