tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post6119739472653941539..comments2024-03-28T13:07:51.025-07:00Comments on Winging It: How Can I Know?Stanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-44706194444079465992018-08-18T12:12:54.370-07:002018-08-18T12:12:54.370-07:00Dangerously, it sounds like "general concurre...Dangerously, it sounds like "general concurrence".Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-8275112815253076782018-08-18T08:08:46.376-07:002018-08-18T08:08:46.376-07:00For example, I think most of us agree that Julius ...For example, I think most of us agree that Julius Caesar existed. We’d even say we know that. Yet it’s clear that we can’t prove it to a 100% certainty. So, what is the threshold? Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-44278777894740388782018-08-17T18:08:37.225-07:002018-08-17T18:08:37.225-07:00Some "certainty value". Knowledge is dat...Some "certainty value". Knowledge is data you know. Understanding is knowing how it works. Wisdom is knowing what to do with it. But I think Craig is talking about a "certainty threshold," so to speak.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-49021116094007965942018-08-17T17:01:33.354-07:002018-08-17T17:01:33.354-07:00By the "levels of knowing", are you talk...By the "levels of knowing", are you talking about the differences between knowledge, understanding, and wisdom, or some sort of certainty scale?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08443810898475961105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-36808846878342014872018-08-17T13:52:53.396-07:002018-08-17T13:52:53.396-07:00It might be an interesting exercise, but given 1) ...It might be an interesting exercise, but given 1) the inability to come up with ANYTHING that convinces everyone universally and 2) the certainty of the double standard where "You must have that level of absolute certainty or you will be wrong, but I can just be fairly comfortable without any real reasons, and I'm right," I would think it would be a pointless one. (Besides, measuring and standardizing "levels of knowing" seems to be nigh unto impossible anyway.)Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-47971446993367362862018-08-17T13:22:09.414-07:002018-08-17T13:22:09.414-07:00I think we see this trend where anything less that...I think we see this trend where anything less that 100% certainly to a level that will absolutely convince s skeptic is what people expect. Or, they expect it of those they disagree with, while holding themselves to a lower standard. So, it seems like trying to come up with a level that constitutes “knowing” could be an interesting exercise. Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-26673409889253374982018-08-17T10:43:41.777-07:002018-08-17T10:43:41.777-07:00Perhaps, but I would need to correlate "what ...Perhaps, but I would need to correlate "what it means to 'know' things" with John's "you can know." That is, if we constitute a "knowing" that makes it impossible to "know that you have eternal life," I would consider it a problem (that version of "knowing," since God's Word can't be wrong).Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-1106085222322868462018-08-17T10:41:17.805-07:002018-08-17T10:41:17.805-07:00The bigger question is how can we “know” the Bible...The bigger question is how can we “know” the Bible is True?<br /><br />I just started Miracles by CS Lewis and he talks about what it means to “know” things. I think that what level of certainty and evidence constitute knowledge would be an interesting discussion. Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-88169730513135075872018-08-13T17:36:39.299-07:002018-08-13T17:36:39.299-07:00I hear you, Danny, but I'm still stuck with Jo...I hear you, Danny, but I'm still stuck with John's, "So that you may know that you have eternal life." If we have it on biblical authority that we <i>can</i> know, perhaps there is something else we're misunderstanding. Like what the tests are.<br /><br />For instance, John said that the one born of God cannot sin (1 John 3:9). That sounds pretty straightforward ... and exclusive. Turns out that he wasn't saying "sinless perfection." He was saying "a continuous practice of sin." In Peter's test, he says, "If these qualities are yours <i>and are increasing</i>, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:8). So maybe these tests are not absolutes -- "You have arrived ... or you're failing." More of an arc, a direction, an aim. Not "Where are you?" but "Where are you going?"Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-85280620768515176732018-08-13T12:56:22.582-07:002018-08-13T12:56:22.582-07:00I can remember in my earlier blogging years a man ...I can remember in my earlier blogging years a man who seemed to be a one-note song, and this was it: You can know. I think of him often, because I disagree. I'm not sure we actually can know. I do believe that if we are saved, that there's nothing that any of us can do to lose it. But that "if" is probably the biggest "if" in all of creation. So here's why I'm not sure. It's because in so many ways I fail the test, and that's the ways I know about.Danny Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15006024707303951009noreply@blogger.com