tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post1393210051404975767..comments2024-03-28T13:07:51.025-07:00Comments on Winging It: Taking God's Position -- A BaselineStanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-45432806187513136182016-05-19T10:03:40.426-07:002016-05-19T10:03:40.426-07:00Clearly the above is sarcasm. Clearly you are ri...Clearly the above is sarcasm. Clearly you are right on target.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-41072174183159762252016-05-19T10:03:01.778-07:002016-05-19T10:03:01.778-07:00But Stan, you can't actually know that the pla...But Stan, you can't actually know that the plainest, clearest, most straightforward reading of scripture is really what God says, it's just not possible.<br /><br /><br />It is so much more logical and reasonable to conclude that the clearest, plainest, most direct reading of scripture does not actually mean what it clearly and plainly says, but that our Reason dictates that it must mean something else. Now, you might ask "What else does it mean?" but obviously it doesn't fall on the scoffer to provide a Reasonable, rational alternative that aligns with the rest of scripture and historic Christian teaching. Why should the scoffer do anything but scoff? It's so much easier to simply make pronouncements about what something doesn't mean, than to offer a positive Biblical alternative.<br /><br />I can't imagine what you are thinking.<br /><br />Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-85576341005751500422016-05-18T16:49:22.412-07:002016-05-18T16:49:22.412-07:00I think I see more of the "innocence" an...I think I see more of the "innocence" and insidiousness of the question than the direct link of the questions. It sounds pretty innocent to ask if that's what it really says, but it's always on the back of,"because that's not what I feel it to mean."Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08443810898475961105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-42569118299776967862016-05-18T12:29:18.419-07:002016-05-18T12:29:18.419-07:00I tend to hear that, too, except that it's som...I tend to hear that, too, except that it's somewhat a product of my prejudice rather than an echo from the Garden. Satan's question, "Did God say ...?", did <i>not</i> ask if God said what He actually had said. He asked, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?" The correct answer was "No, He didn't."<br /><br />In this case, they ask, "Did God say, 'the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth'?" The correct answer is, "Yes, He did. Now, are you going to believe it?" In other words, Satan's effort was to push the boundaries of what He said and theirs is to ignore what He said. In the end, though, both are questioning God's Word.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-39068169314321908712016-05-18T11:47:42.091-07:002016-05-18T11:47:42.091-07:00Any time someone asks if we're supposed to tak...Any time someone asks if we're supposed to take from that passage what it seems to say, I can't help but hear Satan in the garden, "Did God say...?"Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08443810898475961105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-39387344588220655992016-05-18T11:16:30.691-07:002016-05-18T11:16:30.691-07:00On the other hand, oddly enough, "This is wha...On the other hand, oddly enough, "This is what it says and this is what it means based on the words, the text, the context, the rest of Scripture, and the history of the Church" is classified by them as "You're not giving any reason for your conclusions." At this point it just seems like irrationality.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-19766238795622826532016-05-18T09:07:51.839-07:002016-05-18T09:07:51.839-07:00Odd, isn't it? "We're not supposed to...Odd, isn't it? "We're not supposed to take them as they plainly state or as the context of Scripture sees them or even as the Church has always understood them to mean." <b>But</b>, there is is no offer of how we <i>are</i> supposed to take them. Just "not the way you did." And, as it turns out, it appears that the goal is to get Scripture to align with "how we see things" because "how we see things" is the ultimate arbiter of truth. We end up with a warm, fuzzy, comprehensible God. Not biblical, perhaps, but we feel a lot better about Him.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-8124795588913198572016-05-18T08:54:34.512-07:002016-05-18T08:54:34.512-07:00Ah, I'm told, but are we to take that (the ver...Ah, I'm told, but are we to take that (the verses put forth to prove a point...say...about the innocence of babies) literally? On what basis must we take it literally? Yada, yada, frickin' yada.<br /><br />Some simply want to believe what they want to believe, because what Scripture says doesn't make sense to them, isn't rational to them, just isn't what a loving God would do in their minds. Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-11160618185349330032016-05-18T05:44:10.668-07:002016-05-18T05:44:10.668-07:00I think -- given that God is infinite and we are f...I think -- given that God is infinite and we are finite, that God's thoughts are not our thoughts -- it will <i>necessarily</i> be true that our worldview will be challenged if we submit it to God's Word. The content of God's Word <i>must</i> challenge the views of fallen humans. You're right.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30006406.post-43961506733917800832016-05-18T04:53:04.470-07:002016-05-18T04:53:04.470-07:00Does intention proceed content? If so, what happen...Does intention proceed content? If so, what happens when our intention is to prove our world view thru the scriptures? will we be receptive of it's content?<br /><br />what happens when our intention is to know the truth apart from our world view? <br />will the content challenge us to renew our minds? <br /> Intention - content - challenge - renewed mind. Bobnoreply@blogger.com